Comments on: Ignite Lansing, Communities, and Schneider http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076 'dirt is dirt' - me, in my sleep Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: A community ignited | The Blog of Justin "Bugsy" Sailor http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-129 A community ignited | The Blog of Justin "Bugsy" Sailor Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:08:05 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-129 [...] is what inspired this whole blog entry).  It was followed by 60+ comments, and then this, this, this and eventually this.  There was no doubt in my mind that Lansing was indeed [...] [...] is what inspired this whole blog entry).  It was followed by 60+ comments, and then this, this, this and eventually this.  There was no doubt in my mind that Lansing was indeed [...]

]]> By: Terry Brock http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-172 Terry Brock Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:31:46 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-172 Here's to hoping he does! Here's to hoping he does!

]]> By: jmiddlin http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-171 jmiddlin Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:23:38 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-171 Terry,<br><br>Great post, I made that offer to John, haven't heard anything yet...<br><br><a href="http://jmiddlin.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/a-reply-to-john-schneider/" rel="nofollow">http://jmiddlin.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/a-repl...</a> Terry,

Great post, I made that offer to John, haven't heard anything yet…

http://jmiddlin.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/a-repl...

]]> By: Terry Brock http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-175 Terry Brock Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:00:45 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-175 Glad you agree! Certainly, he could have posed the question to you. That would have been fantastic of him...but now Ignite has the chance to ask him what he thought, and engage him in this event, and that would be a real classy move, I think. Not to mention, it would be the event even better then it already is. thanks for your comments! Glad you agree! Certainly, he could have posed the question to you. That would have been fantastic of him…but now Ignite has the chance to ask him what he thought, and engage him in this event, and that would be a real classy move, I think. Not to mention, it would be the event even better then it already is. thanks for your comments!

]]> By: Terry Brock http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-177 Terry Brock Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:57:37 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-177 Thanks for your comments! My intention was to simply remind everyone that ignite is a small part of a much larger community, and that the noise it makes is getting heard, and this might mean that it's time to start thinking about how the message can be made more accessible. If we are truly about community, then we need to make sure we're being inclusive, take criticism constructively, and do it in creative ways.<br><br>Consider this conversation tabled until a forthcoming ERC coffee date. Thanks for your comments! My intention was to simply remind everyone that ignite is a small part of a much larger community, and that the noise it makes is getting heard, and this might mean that it's time to start thinking about how the message can be made more accessible. If we are truly about community, then we need to make sure we're being inclusive, take criticism constructively, and do it in creative ways.

Consider this conversation tabled until a forthcoming ERC coffee date.

]]> By: Valerie http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-173 Valerie Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:01:14 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-173 I completely agree. It's hard to take criticism like this when you've put a lot of time and effort into something and it's easy to say "Eh, well the old guy is out of touch." However, Schneider is a columnist and not a journalist. He wasn't there to cover the hard facts without opinion. He's paid by LSJ to write his opinions. It's just unfortunate that having such a wide readership can sometimes give a bad impression to a lot more people who might not have heard of or attended Ignite. <br><br>But I am glad that someone is asking the question "Why didn't he get it?" It is important to not dwell on one person's negative opinion and keep on working to improve the subsequent Ignite as well as other events in Lansing. While it may not have been a perfect event, you can't move forward without trying new things. It makes me happy that there are so many people willing to put these events together and attend. The criticism helps to drive improvement and gives people a reason to prove naysayers wrong. I completely agree. It's hard to take criticism like this when you've put a lot of time and effort into something and it's easy to say “Eh, well the old guy is out of touch.” However, Schneider is a columnist and not a journalist. He wasn't there to cover the hard facts without opinion. He's paid by LSJ to write his opinions. It's just unfortunate that having such a wide readership can sometimes give a bad impression to a lot more people who might not have heard of or attended Ignite.

But I am glad that someone is asking the question “Why didn't he get it?” It is important to not dwell on one person's negative opinion and keep on working to improve the subsequent Ignite as well as other events in Lansing. While it may not have been a perfect event, you can't move forward without trying new things. It makes me happy that there are so many people willing to put these events together and attend. The criticism helps to drive improvement and gives people a reason to prove naysayers wrong.

]]> By: Jessi Wortley http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-174 Jessi Wortley Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:45:47 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-174 I agree...obviously, if he didn't get it, and he's probably not the only one, what did we do wrong to give him that impression? This has been a great way to open the discussion for how to improve for Ignite 4.0. <br><br>However, that still doesn't mean he had the right to publicly blast us for his own misinterpretation. <br><br>How hard would it have been for him to ask someone for clarification? For instance, John and his wife were sitting behind us at Ignite. Knowing his wife well, she introduced us to John (we'd only previously chatted on the phone for work purposes) and we stood and chatted with them a few minutes before the event started. I am disappointed that at the first intermission, they didn't turn to us and say "Is this really the event? It's not what we were expecting and I just wanted to check with someone who might know more." That's all it would have taken and I bet we could have convinced him to stay. <br><br>Instead, he just got up and left and then wrote his blog. I guess that what upsets me the most, is that he didn't take the time to try and figure it out, he just up and left. Not very professional if you ask me. <br><br>I've been a loyal reader of John's column since I was a kid, and while I haven't always agreed with everything he writes about, this incident has really left a bad taste in my mouth. Will I continue to read his column and blog? Yes. But I will probably do so with a more critical eye than before. <br><br>I hope he learns from this and comes to the next one with a more open mind to truly see what all the fuss is about. Then maybe he'll understand the meaning behind #LoveLansing I agree…obviously, if he didn't get it, and he's probably not the only one, what did we do wrong to give him that impression? This has been a great way to open the discussion for how to improve for Ignite 4.0.

However, that still doesn't mean he had the right to publicly blast us for his own misinterpretation.

How hard would it have been for him to ask someone for clarification? For instance, John and his wife were sitting behind us at Ignite. Knowing his wife well, she introduced us to John (we'd only previously chatted on the phone for work purposes) and we stood and chatted with them a few minutes before the event started. I am disappointed that at the first intermission, they didn't turn to us and say “Is this really the event? It's not what we were expecting and I just wanted to check with someone who might know more.” That's all it would have taken and I bet we could have convinced him to stay.

Instead, he just got up and left and then wrote his blog. I guess that what upsets me the most, is that he didn't take the time to try and figure it out, he just up and left. Not very professional if you ask me.

I've been a loyal reader of John's column since I was a kid, and while I haven't always agreed with everything he writes about, this incident has really left a bad taste in my mouth. Will I continue to read his column and blog? Yes. But I will probably do so with a more critical eye than before.

I hope he learns from this and comes to the next one with a more open mind to truly see what all the fuss is about. Then maybe he'll understand the meaning behind #LoveLansing

]]> By: Ryan Knott http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-176 Ryan Knott Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:01:25 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-176 I think you make some really good points here, Terry. When I first read Scheider's review, I was angry. Not because he had messed with a sacred cow, but because he had been so plain mean about it. I wrote several drafts of a nasty response, but sent none of them.<br><br>I absolutely agree that his comments are a great opportunity for us as the Ignite Lansing community to ask why he didn't get it. There is no such thing as a perfect event. Improvement should always be the goal of the next incarnation. Scheider was not the only person I heard who suggested that SOME of the presentations weren't up to par. But, that's part of the beauty of Ignite. It's an organic process wherein we as the community vote on the presentations we want to hear. These are not professional speakers and there is no requirement that the topic be some futuristic vision of a new world. It can be as simple as how to build the perfect banana split.<br><br>However, that doesn't mean we can't provide speakers with materials to help them prepare. We can and we should. But, even with that, some speakers are going to fall flat. <br><br>I had a great conversation with Travis Stoliker and Jason Vanderstelt last night about how the review is actually a positive thing. Anytime you're forced to re-examine what you're doing to ensure it's the best it can be, it's a good thing. It also has obviously invigorated the Ignite community's passion, which, if channeled in the right direction is extremely positive.<br><br>Having said that, I can't say that I agree with the idea that we should re-engage Scheider and ask for him to come and be a part of it again, but that's a conversation we can have at Espresso Royale. ;-) I think you make some really good points here, Terry. When I first read Scheider's review, I was angry. Not because he had messed with a sacred cow, but because he had been so plain mean about it. I wrote several drafts of a nasty response, but sent none of them.

I absolutely agree that his comments are a great opportunity for us as the Ignite Lansing community to ask why he didn't get it. There is no such thing as a perfect event. Improvement should always be the goal of the next incarnation. Scheider was not the only person I heard who suggested that SOME of the presentations weren't up to par. But, that's part of the beauty of Ignite. It's an organic process wherein we as the community vote on the presentations we want to hear. These are not professional speakers and there is no requirement that the topic be some futuristic vision of a new world. It can be as simple as how to build the perfect banana split.

However, that doesn't mean we can't provide speakers with materials to help them prepare. We can and we should. But, even with that, some speakers are going to fall flat.

I had a great conversation with Travis Stoliker and Jason Vanderstelt last night about how the review is actually a positive thing. Anytime you're forced to re-examine what you're doing to ensure it's the best it can be, it's a good thing. It also has obviously invigorated the Ignite community's passion, which, if channeled in the right direction is extremely positive.

Having said that, I can't say that I agree with the idea that we should re-engage Scheider and ask for him to come and be a part of it again, but that's a conversation we can have at Espresso Royale. ;-)

]]> By: Terry Brock http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-128 Terry Brock Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:31:46 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-128 Here's to hoping he does! Here's to hoping he does!

]]> By: jmiddlin http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076&cpage=1#comment-127 jmiddlin Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:23:38 +0000 http://dirt.terrypbrock.com/?p=1076#comment-127 Terry,<br><br>Great post, I made that offer to John, haven't heard anything yet...<br><br><a href="http://jmiddlin.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/a-reply-to-john-schneider/" rel="nofollow">http://jmiddlin.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/a-repl...</a> Terry,

Great post, I made that offer to John, haven't heard anything yet…

http://jmiddlin.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/a-repl...

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